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Post by EB on May 10, 2019 2:31:36 GMT
Interested to see what people think here.
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aaron
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Causation
May 10, 2019 2:35:10 GMT
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Post by aaron on May 10, 2019 2:35:10 GMT
Conventionally real, ultimately fake
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Post by morallawwithin on May 10, 2019 3:27:34 GMT
Not hip on all the theories but it's totally real & objectively valid
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Post by Mātōnya on May 10, 2019 3:38:39 GMT
Causation is real. How do you think Werōna caused the universe to exist?
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Post by leonardtea on May 10, 2019 11:31:52 GMT
Causal Realists are just being realistic.
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Post by Mātōnya on May 10, 2019 14:13:47 GMT
It's be-cause we are just following the obvious, Leon.
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Post by somestingray on May 11, 2019 23:41:12 GMT
Definitely fake. Useful though, so I would agree with Aaron that it's conventionally real. I think it's helpful to think of causation-talk as metaphorical. IIRC Garfield uses an example that goes something like this: We can make true claims about X being the cause of Y even if there are no actual *causes* out there in the world, just as we can say "He did X for the sake of Y" even though there are no "sakes" and "She ran out of luck" even though "luck" isn't an actually existing entity. You can think of lots of other examples.
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